Rev Dev Anandarajan joins us for a conversation about Moses’ humble leadership in the story of his death in Deut 32. Moses is not heard bargaining with God over not getting into the promised land. The story stresses, instead, the centrality of the journey of obedience for a people ‘on the way’. Dev explores psalm 90 for our (covid) context. We note differences in leadership between Moses and Paul (in Thessalonians), and note the radical newness of Jesus’ leadership/messiahship in bringing us over, in him, to the new creation. We explore the nature of the love to which we’re called in Matthew 22.